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@mole1427 Says:
so, ending up in heaven, gets you brainwashed by jesus/god... Got it
@anasugutanaivalu9320 Says:
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@Patience7813 Says:
First of all:
1. Lets take the time to read what happens to our loved ones when they die:
-Ecclesiastes 9:5
The dead do not know anything. Their thoughts perish.
-John chapter 11, especially verse 24: Jesus describes death as sleep. This is because there will be a resurrection at the coming of Jesus. However, Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead (tomb) to prove the power of God.
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. From this scripture, we are assured that Our loved ones do not go to Heaven or some burning hell after death. They are resting in the grave, awaiting the first or 2nd resurrection at Jesus' coming.
So that means, until the resurrection, they cannot go anywhere.
Job 7:9-10 says:
"As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away: so he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more.
He shall return no more to his house, neither shall his place know him any more."
Hell fire is not yet. It will happen on this Earth after the 1000 years described in Revelation chapter 20. This is where those who have continuously rejected Jesus and refused salvation will be destroyed in hell, AND THEN they will cease to exist. The flames will not burn for ever and ever but the destruction will be complete. Ever-lasting meaning the destruction will do its work until complete.
-See also Revelation 20:1-15.
Take the time to watch the videos "Cosmic Conflict-The Real Star Wars","Final Events" and "Speeding and Grace" by Amazing Facts TV.
The website also has great answers to many questions.
@black-cross Says:
For those who criticize heaven because you think God will brainwash us, think like this: when you’re under the influence of a substance and you do something you never would do sober, doesn’t mean the substance made you do it. The substance only removed the inhibitions of your controlled self. When you’re in heaven you’ll be under the influence of the substance of the Holy Spirit, but you’ll still be you.
And right now, even though you’re sober, you’re under the influence of the substance of your earthly body, your past experiences, your environment, your emotions. Who are full of sin on the land owned by Lucifer.
@kirkkelley1899 Says:
He just gave you the run around, John.
@tomm6167 Says:
Most early church fathers believed this question is N/A, because everybody would eventually be saved:
"Christ saves all men. Some he converts by penalties, others who follow Him of their own will ... that every knee may be bent to Him, of those in heaven, on earth, and under the earth" [Isa. 45:22-23, Rom. 14:11, Phil. 2:10-11, Rev. 5:13] -- *Clement of Alexandria,* _Commentary on 1 John_
"When death shall no longer exist, nor the sting of death, nor any evil at all, then, verily, God will be All in all" [1 Cor. 15:28,55] -- *Origen,* _De Principiis 3:6.3_
"What else does 'until the times of universal restoration' signify to us, if not the aeon to come, in which all beings must receive their perfect restoration?" [Acts 3:21] -- *Eusebius,* leading historian of the early church, _Contra Marcellum __2:4:11_
"A few drops of blood renew the whole world, and become for all men that which rennet is for milk, uniting and drawing us into one." [Col. 1:15-20] -- *Gregory Nazianzus,* _Oration 42_
"Christ captured over again the souls captured by the devil, for that He promised in saying, 'I, if I be lifted up, will draw all men unto Me.'" [John 12:32, 1 Peter 3:19-20, 4:6, Psalm 68:18, Eph. 4:8-10, and maybe Matt. 12:29] -- *Athanasius,* _Expositions on the Psalms, 68.18_
"The peace [coming] from the Lord is coextensive with all time [eternity]. For all things shall be subject to him, and all things shall acknowledge his empire; and when God shall be all in all, those who now excite discords by revolts, having been quite pacified, [all things] shall praise God in peaceful concord." [Psalm 145:10a, 1 Cor. 15:28, Rev. 5:13] -- *Basil,* _Commentary on Isaiah 9:6_
"So the Son of Man came to save that which was lost, i.e., all, for as in Adam all die, so, too, in Christ shall all be made alive." [Luke 19:10, 1 Cor. 15:22] -- *Ambrose,* _Exposition on the Gospel of Luke 15.3_
"For the wicked there are punishments not perpetual, ... but they are to be tormented for a certain brief period, according to the amount of malice in their works. They shall therefore suffer punishment for a short space, but immortal blessedness, having no end, awaits them; ... the penalties to be inflicted for their many and grave crimes are very far surpassed by the magnitude of the mercy to be showed them. The resurrection, therefore, is regarded as a blessing, not only to the good, but also to the evil." [Isa. 57:16], *Diodore,* _De Oecon_
"Some among the wise and learned … have alluded to this in an enigmatic way, by adducing that God is not only just, but also merciful, and that it becomes the One who judges with justice to have sinners suffer in a measure that is proportional to their sins and then make them worthy of blessedness." -- *Theodore,* _Liber Scholiorum, 2:63_
"'All the kings of the earth shall adore him.' Some, indeed, in the present life willingly, but all the rest after the Resurrection; for not yet do we see all things subject to him, but then every knee shall bow to him." [The "kings of the earth" are rebellious unbelievers in Rev. 6:15, 17:2,18, 18:3,9, 19:19,21 ... but check out what happens in Rev. 21:24-27!] -- *Theodoret,* _On Psalm 72:11_
"Death shall come as a visitor to the impious; it will not be perpetual; it will not annihilate them; but will prolong its visit, till the impiety which is in them shall be consumed." [Matt. 5:26] -- *Jerome,* _On Micah 5:8_
"After the complete abolition of sin, praise shall be sung to God; which praise contain (implies) our being incapable of turning to sin ... when every created being shall be harmonized into one choir ... and when, like a cymbal, the reasonable creation, and that which is now severed by sin ... shall pour forth a pleasing strain, due to mutual harmony. Then comes the praise of every spirit for ever abounding with increase unto eternity." [Psalm 150] -- *Gregory of Nyssa,* _On Psalms, Tract 1, ch. 9_
Other church fathers who believed in eventual universal salvation include *Asterius, Bardaisan, Cyril of Alexandria, Didymus the Blind, Dionysius, Ephrem the Syrian, Gennadius, Hilary, John Cassian, John Chrysostom, Marcellus, Maximus the Confessor, Maximus of Turin, Methodius, Paulinus, Proclus, Titus of Basra & Victorinus.*
Sources: Thomas Allin, _Christ Triumphant,_ Annotated by Robin Parry edition, chapters 4-5, 1905 & Ilaria Ramelli, _A Larger Hope?, Volume 1: Universal Salvation from Christian Beginnings to Julian of Norwich,_ 2019
@ericstevens8939 Says:
Christians offer a condescending pity love to the non-Christian and will then spend eternity not bothered by the non-Christian’s unending torment.
We know you by your rotten fruit.
@NickGagnon-u1v Says:
You really cant unless you dont care about them.
@tomm6167 Says:
"But, as it is written, 'What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, [is] what God has prepared for those who love him'..." (1 Corinthians 2:9)
Hmmm ... I can imagine my family members being with me in heaven.
And praise God this will happen: John 12:32, 17:2, combination of (John 3:35, 6:37), Rom. 5:18-19, 8:19-21, 11:32,36, 14:11 , *1 Cor. 15:22,28* , Eph. 1:10, Phil. 2:10-11, 3:21, Col. 1:20, 1 Tim. 2:3-6, 4:10, Titus 2:11, 1 Pet. 4:6, 1 John 2:2, 4:14, Rev. 5:13, 15:4, 21:5,24-25, 22:2, combination of (Rev. 22:1,14,17a,17c), Psalm 22:27,29, 65:2-3, 145:10a, Isa. 25:6-8, 45:22-25, 57:16, Lam. 3:22,31, Ezek. 16:53,55, Mal. 3:2-3.
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Recommended reading: _Hope Beyond Hell_ by Gerry Beauchemin
@sarapitt289 Says:
I'm sorry, as a Christian I think this is incorrect. Please cite scriptures which confirm it.
@eveunknown8785 Says:
That is a sick , sick answer . Utterly deranged stuff . How could any sane and descent person come to accept this HORRENDOUS idea . What a twisted mockery of gods unconditional love . No frank our destination is theosis . Theosis means being christ like . And being christ like means loving unconditionally with all our heart as god does with us and as he commanded us to do . This was painfully sickening to watch . What a disgrace to the kingdom of god
@Bentoto97 Says:
What about our unsaved loved ones who are false Christians because they believe a type of these eight lists to be saved AND GO TO HEAVEN (salvation)? are they rejecting the gospel of Jesus Christ because they choose to go to hell? or because the false Jesus that they believe in think is the true way?
1. You need to do your part by the way you live
2. Give your life to Jesus
3. Make Jesus Not Only Your Saviour But Also Your Lord by serving him
4. Sin can cause you to lose your salvation (forfeiture is included)
5. Not Just Faith In Jesus But Have A Saving Faith (Your Works)
6. Repent of your sins aka turn away from your sins
7. Willing to follow Jesus by willing to keep his commandments
8. You need to have a GOOD relationship with Jesus such as, self reformation, your performance, your transformed life etc and AVOID a BAD relationship with Jesus
@valbrooks6982 Says:
I think man tries to explains scripture in a way to extend our existence from here. Not by any fault of man, it’s just that, not everything here, has been bad. I think I can speak for most, that our families are our single most important thing to us on this earth. But all things new, means just that. A new life, bodies, on a new earth with no tears, pain, sorrow, or given in marriage, it would be quite impossible not to be sad if our loved ones didn’t make it to Heaven. I think the answer to that question reverts back to Isiah 65:17. On the new earth, the former things will not be remembered, nor come to mind.
@Bentoto97 Says:
I hate that we won't have free will to choose to be sad in heaven that people wee once loved are suffering in hell forever.
@jehovahuponyou Says:
"I CAN NOT PROVE WHAT I JUST SAID BIBLICALLY!!!"
YOU SURE CAN'T, BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT A BIBLICAL ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TRY READING YOUR BIBLE, THE ANSWER IS THE TREE, "THE TREE, BOSS, THE TREE!!!!!!!" - HERE WE HAVE THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND, BE CAREFUL OF THE DITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@suprisedbeeiscute Says:
So if i somehow manage to get to heaven and one of my relatives is in hell I dont love them anymore?
I decided now that I am atheist! See you all in eternal darkness!
@thisgeneration2894 Says:
You didn't love them because you loved them, Only the God in Them, What remains in hell is worthless dust, and likely in heaven all the memories unfortunately of 0 value.
You yourself havent been saved you are Abridged, what remains is saved the rest burned up.
And from eternity, God saw that it was good...
Why even believe this
@derpyKAT229 Says:
here
@wise_Cat777 Says:
I can tell a 'lot of people here have not, or do not read the bible, and I don't mean to insult
but in order to understand why things are the way they are with Hell/Heaven
you have to read the bible to learn about
God and his ways , Satan, SIN , and freewill, and how they all tie together to our existence today.
for those unaware read the first few pages of
Genesis
and the 4 gospels
Matthew
Mark
Luke
John
& Revelations
things should make better sense .
@Kramer-tt32 Says:
I don't believe jesus resurrected from the dead. Am I going to hell? My mom believes jesus did resurrect. Is she going to heaven?
@joebriggs5781 Says:
Christians at heart are such empty people. Fully willing to turn their backs on loved ones for the promise of their own personal paradise. It's so sick.
I hope it's actually the opposite and God will let the people who actually believed this and were OK with it all really have it for not thinking for themselves and being sheep to something actually evil.
@uklie01 Says:
"How Can I Enjoy Heaven When My Loved Ones Are in Hell?" You can't.
@Truthhurts10 Says:
Don’t agree with this. Seems heartless. No Bible references
@shianemi7595 Says:
yeah no. if im in heaven thinking i only loved my mother who would be suffering because of “gods beauty” then to hell with it i dont want heaven
@TimBarr-e8p Says:
The length Christians will go to justify the Morally Indefensible is Amazing to me...The Bible Teaches Annihilation of the Lost...Please See. 2 Pet. 2:6...And stop all the Crap...Since God is Love and Holy He cannot by Definition do things that are contrary to His Nature...Repent of believing the Bible Teaches ECT...Please...
@AnesToromannovic Says:
Man iam Reborn Christan and my mother and grandmother are muslim and they hate Jesus do not wanna beilive in Christ❤❤❤
@AnAlbanianMafiaMember Says:
By that logic, when I'm in the new earth, can't I just ask for the good qualities that have been stripped from my family to become... idk how to explain it but, can't I just ask God to form a new person who looks the exact same as one of my dead relatives in hell, and make that person out of the qualities I love about my relative so I can always be with them?
@kimbanton4398 Says:
So to paraphrase his attempted answer to the question from the video title:
*A)* 0:58 God would turn me into an evil psychopath who would despise my deceased lovely atheist grandmother just because she was an atheist?
*B)* 1:22 God will take away the humanity and everything that made my loving grandmother the person, who she used to be, away and turn her into some devilish demon spawn without anyone's consent, so that I would have an excuse to despise her.
*C)* 1:55 God will end my suffering by turning me into an "understanding sadist" (as pointed out in *A* & *B* ).
There is no way around it. The only way how you could possibly enjoy Heaven despite all this, is for God to make you either indifferent towards your loved ones and to look down on (or possibly even forget about) all your memories about your loved ones, or hateful towards your loved ones, so that in your eyes they're nothing more than "Satan's children", instead of e.g. YOUR children. Thus your dead child, who's in hell right now, would be equivalent to a lesser Hitler in your eyes.
That's pretty messed up and definitely not compatible with a "father of compassion and [...] all comfort"...
@wendyleeconnelly2939 Says:
So basically you stop loving people so you don't have to feel sad. Nice.
@waynesilva9157 Says:
I can honestly say I've never met anyone in my life including all my family members who I love qualify to be excepted into heaven, they are all sinners like myself.
Except my grandma who read the Bible every day, but she won't see most of us in heaven .
@HappyGalaxy-vo5fk Says:
What god was doing long before the creation ? 🤔
@monsterhuntervideos4446 Says:
This is one of those questions we can't answer. The only thing we know is that God will wipe away all pain and tears. How he will do that while loved ones may be condemned is only known to him. Trying to fathom Heaven without being there is like a person being born blind trying to fathom sight. Heaven by definition is a perfect existence, therefore it will be perfect if you go there, regardless of where loved ones are. Now I can't fathom how that will be, but God tells us in Revelation that there is no pain or tears in Heaven. If there were it wouldn't be Heaven.
@robinwilliamson771 Says:
How many angels can dance on the head of a pin? What meaning has life if all memory of those we love ceases eternally .Give me annihilation ,for all ,any day.
@luissantos1801 Says:
…. Wtf? So gods gonna mess with our minds?? 🫠😳
@Mademoiselle-14t Says:
The Bible teaches in Malachi 4:1 &3, that the wicked will be ashes under the soles of the feet of the righteous. This is an entire study to which I cannot do justice here. However, in Romans 6:23, the wages of sin is death (the second death, from which there is no resurrection). The wages of sin is not eternal life in hell fire. Eternal life is the gift of God, and only for the righteous.
The Bible teaches that hell fire is not burning now. It will burn, but will eventually go out just like the eternal fire that destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. Jude verse 7. Yes; no man can extinguish eternal fire, but it goes out when it has done its work. And God will make all things new.
The devil invents all kinds of scenarios, so that people can see God as a tyrant. And anyone who would burn a man for eternity for having lived 70 or a hundred years in sin would indeed be a tyrant. But God promises to judge everyone according to their works. The devil, who is the originator of sin, is not yet burning. If the theory of an eternally burning hell were true, it would mean that all the people who are already in hell would burn for much longer than the devil himself.
The Bible teaches that everyone goes to the grave to sleep the unconscious sleep of death until the resurrection. Ecclesiastes 9:5. "For the living know that they shall die, but the dead know nothing."
Let's read our Bibles with hearts open to God's leading. Let's claim the promise that the Holy Spirit will guide us into all truth. If we genuinely ask God to show us the difference between truth and error, He will hear and answer.
@hebrewboy7963 Says:
Is it just for Jesus to torment people for eternity or destroy the wicked and leave their corpses as a sign for people to see which is what The Most High will do. The Torah teaches that God Hates unjust balances for God is fair. Now is it fair to punish a man for his short lived life on earth for eternity? Think about it The God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob is just and Jesus is not.
Shalom 🙏🏽
@steveo9326 Says:
Wow thank you the best explanation and reasoning i've heared yet
@pspears2153 Says:
If you believe Revelation 21:4, and I do, we won't have any memory of "former things", they'll be "passed away".
Revelation 21:4
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
@richardrickford3028 Says:
This is a weak answer with a lot of waffle in it. It makes a McDonalds of human emotions and the enduring quality of true love. Jesus is meant to have loved all sorts of people who would have looked to him like really ugly sinful monsters in terms of their behaviour. Christians are meant to be becoming more like Jesus through the holy spirit. In heaven they will be even more like Jesus. Jesus spent much time talking to and loving tramps, tax collectors, addicts and prostitutes. If love is just about loving people or Gods that are purely holy and not bothering with others it is not love. It is a form of fascism. You could say how could a loving God allow sin or a sinful person into his presence. I would say how could a loving God allow someone who had at least tried on many occasions to do the right godly thing completely out of his influence and the rays of his compassion. Such a person, although they have sinned has not completely rejected God either. Lets have a bit more thought for how complex people are and how complex love in all its brilliance is and a little less Big Mac and Fries.
@tomm6167 Says:
A sane version of hell:
Yes, hell (the Lake of Fire, actually) is definitely worth avoiding at all costs. But it's symbolic, it's temporary and in the end it will *save* people:
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"The word translated 'sulfur' [aka "brimstone"] originally referred to fire from heaven ... it was used in pagan religious rites for purification. Pre-Roman civilizations used it as a medicine, a fumigant, a bleaching agent and in incense. And the Romans used sulfur or fumes from its combustion as an insecticide, and to purify a sick room to cleanse its air of evil.
The term translated torment originally referred to the action of an inspector who sought to test the quality of gold and silver coins. In its proper sense it is a means of testing and proving.
For the apostle John who authored the book of Revelation, and for his readers in the ancient world, the Lake of Fire was not a place of unending torture. It was not a place with no purpose other than to inflict pain. *It was a refiner's fire. Its purpose was to purify and cleanse from evil in the age to come. God is good. His punishments have a good purpose.* "
-- George Sarris, _Heaven's Doors,_ 2017
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"The original idea of [torment ( _basanizo_ in Greek)] is 'to put to the test by rubbing on a touchstone,' to test some metal that looked like gold to find whether it was real or not. The meaning and usage harmonizes with the idea of divine purification and the torment which is the test to find whether there has been any change in the sufferer ... Sulphur [brimstone] was sacred to the deity among the ancient Greeks; and was used to fumigate, to purify, to cleanse and consecrate to the deity; for this purpose they burned it in their incense. In Homer's _Iliad_ [about a quarter of the way through Book 16], one is spoken of as purifying a goblet with [brimstone]. The verb derived from _Theion_ is _Theioo_ , which means to hallow, to make divine, or to dedicate to a god (see _Liddell and Scott Greek-English Lexicon,_ 1897 Edition). *To any Greek, or any trained in the Greek language, a 'lake of fire and brimstone' would mean a 'lake of divine purification.'* ”
-- Charles Pridgeon, _Is Hell Eternal?,_ 1931
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"But who can endure the day of his coming, and who can stand when he appears? *For he is like a refiner's fire and like fullers' soap.* He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver, and *he will purify* the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, and they will bring offerings in righteousness to the Lord."
--Malachi 3:2-3, 400 B.C.
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The Total Victory of Christ videos go into more detail, especially "Refined in the Lake of Fire." God bless!
@messiahapostle8239 Says:
Dear people, JESUS made it most clear that, As a True Christian, your loved ones are really NOT those members of your nuclear or extended carnal families who are NOT Born Again!!! Your Real Loved Ones are Born-Again Christians -- Those who submit to Jesus Christ by obeying HIS WORD!!! Meditate on what Jesus said in Matthew 12:46-59, Luke 14:26, John 19:26-27.
@Farsider3955 Says:
🤔…”Executive Summary”: yes, if you believe in the correct version of God’s plan of salvation you will be having a blast eternally in heaven, while some of your loved ones (close friends and/or relatives such as, for example, maybe your mother, or your sweet baby sister, suffer horrific eternal punishment) - FOREVER.
And so Mr “Cross Examined”…..this DOES NOT RING TRUE — and indeed IS HORRIFYING.
@steveprofiler Says:
Most christians claim to believe in so called free will. So why not just choose to be happy in hell or UNhappy in heaven. Why even care if they are happy or UNhappy. Why care about god at all?
@charlesmurphy1510 Says:
This means we will forget them. This goes against the story of Job. You are correct, your answer is harsh.
@tomm6167 Says:
"But, as it is written, 'What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, [is] what God has prepared for those who love him'..." (1 Corinthians 2:9)
Hmmm ... I can imagine my family members being with me in heaven.
And praise God it will happen: John 1:29, 4:42, 12:32, 17:2, combination of (John 3:35, 6:37), Rom. 5:18-19, 8:19-21, 11:32,26, 14:11 , 1 Cor. 15:22,28 , Eph. 1:10, Phil. 2:10-11, 3:21, Col. 1:20, 1 Tim. 2:3-6, 4:10, Titus 2:11, 1 Pet. 4:6, 1 John 2:2, 4:14, Rev. 5:13, 15:4, 21:5,24-25, 22:2, combination of (Rev. 22:1,14,17a,17c), Psalm 22:27,29, 65:2-3, 145:10a, Isa. 25:6-8, 45:22-25, 57:16, Lam. 3:22,31, Ezek. 16:53,55, Mal. 3:2-3.
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The Total Victory of Christ videos
@AmarjeetSingh-zi4vn Says:
For me its that once we go to Heaven, our knowledge will be perfected allowing us to handle the reality of some of our loved ones punished according to their deeds.
@JamesRichardWiley Says:
Heaven is where you meet the monster Yahweh and spend eternity praising and worshiping him.
@jimsteichen3200 Says:
Maybe so, but is there any way that we can persuade a loved one to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior?
@jeffmiller2396 Says:
I think that our understanding of people in Hell while we are in Heaven will be the same as it is now. We may know that there are people in Hell; we might know some of the people who are in Hell (God have mercy). But do we still enjoy this life on earth? Yes. And as Randy Alcorn mentions, how much more will we enjoy our life in Heaven?
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