Mr Turek forgets a little, pivotal detail. God is not only a watcher, but a creator. Creator of matter,the spacetime continuum and the events occuring in it. Free will could work only with a not omniscient divine being.
@PhoenixLahab Says:
Then if he knows what would happen, why did he create the devil? And the Bible says that God "predestined us".
@palms45verse1 Says:
Actually we do not have freewill if we had freewill we would not sin...
@mireaman1 Says:
We are the fish GOD is the water. If you go outside water you die. Life without GOD is death. Cause the other choice is the devil
@justincalhoun Says:
So he said “Even if God predestine the outcome it doesn’t mean we don’t have free will” his following statement he says “knowledge does not imply causation” He’s an educated man. Educated men make mistakes. “Predestine” is a verb. “Knowledge” is an adjective. Every time I here or see someone argue for “free” will they make bad arguments and or use gymnastics around what “free” means. I’m sure Nebuchadnezzar wanted to freely choose not to act like a cow.
@jeanmariechopin5080 Says:
I struggle with Romans Chapter 9 so much! But I won't run away.
@kylewood303 Says:
So doctor Strange is like God when he uses the infinite time stone to observe all possible outcomes against Thanos right?
@BeachsideHank Says:
"If you don't have free will what's your evidence for that?"
C'mon Frank, burden of proof lies with you for asserting such a thing exists.
@MrBugPop Says:
Brother, you making all this up on the fly is fn hilarious! 😮😂😂
@truecross4090 Says:
This is my logic for multiverse theory. God had created an infinite amount of universes that all fu ction based on the choices we make when we make them the others cease to exist.
It will be fun to ask about this when I get to heaven, but that is the best explanation my tiny human mind can come up woth.
Your lath to following God is not a straight line, but a spiderweb with 1 entrance and exit, each choice taking you on a different path, but inevitably to the same end. You just choose how to get there.
@13kimosabi13 Says:
Since we are born as fallen sinners => how can we possibly will ourselves NOT to sin ? It’s impossible. You do NOT have the free will not to sin. To deny this is to deny scripture.
@DLF218 Says:
Great joke. Turek asking for evidence.
@wonderlife62 Says:
Every time that preacher tries to argue something about why others should believe in his idea of God , it’s like he doesn’t hear himself describe himself- its circular reasoning
@willkietzman1121 Says:
Free will is tricky. On the one hand it appers that we have it. On the other it appears that we don't. I would argue much like Martin Luther argued in "Bondage of the Will" that our will to do things that are physical and of the world is free; however, our will to do that which is spiritual is bound by sin. We do not have the option but to sin because of our fallen nature. We are so corrupted by sin that evil is our nature. We have to make the natural decision to investigate God, but the belief part is all God doing His work in us.
@koraegis Says:
It’s an enslaved will. Mind and heart corrupted
@1754Me Says:
No where in the Bible does it say that God predestined certain people to become a Christian.
Just like Israel was chosen by God in the Old Testament, so now Christ is the chosen in the New Testament. In the OT, if you wanted to be one of God’s people, you had to “join” Israel. You had to obey the commands of God to be “in” and “remain in” Israel. If you disobeyed His commands or wanted to depart, then you were not part of God’s chosen people of Israel.
Now the same is true in the NT except what replaces Israel in this equation is Jesus. To be in God’s Kingdom now we have to be “in” Christ, not Israel. Jesus is the Head and those who decide to be obedient to the King’s commands are His Body. Anyone who is a follower of Jesus, is now “in Christ”, just like the faithful Israelite was “in Israel “ if they remained faithful. If I decided to abandon Christ, and let’s say become an atheist, well I’m not chosen anymore.
The Bible talks about us being chosen in Christ, meaning because we are in Christ, we are in the chosen one. We are accepted in the Beloved. Christ is the chosen one (which was to be accomplished through Israel).
Again, the Bible doesn’t say that anyone was chosen to be in Him or chosen not to be in Him. That’s the choice you make. Will you follow and be obedient to King Jesus or not? That answer determines whether you share in the “chosen/predestined” status of the Head of that Body.
@gerrydean7696 Says:
God has ordained your choices, and that you make them freely.
Whatever choices you make, you will not go against your nature. 'There is none righteous, no not one. There is none who seeks after God.'
"You did not choose Me but I chose you and appointed you..." John 15:16
Blessed is the man You choose and cause to approach you that he may dwell in Your courts. Psalm 65:4
If you can go against your nature, then use your free will and decide to stop sinning.
@alexz31cujo31 Says:
Would love to talk to him and change his mind.
@jesspoore1215 Says:
You were born into sin a sinful nature because you have and allow strongholds in your life can be multiple things that hinder you from living a life for God ok first you have to believe and know beyond a shadow of a doubt that God is and Jesus Christ is lord and savior of all confess your sins and strive daily to live and follow him... People allow so much into their lives that they feel no need for change or are hindered so bad they fail to recognize that one thing that brings meaning and life to our very existence that is life and the love of our God and our lord and savior Jesus Christ ♥️ 🙏
@evanholland1538 Says:
you don’t have to be free to be rational
@ChipArgyle Says:
Does God have freewill? If so, and only he can create, why did he create evil and how can he be purely good if he did that?
@tomtemple69 Says:
Your free will is limited
@MrAuskiwi101 Says:
How about proving a god exists BEFORE making any claims about it. Lol
@davefrimml1518 Says:
I think of it as pre-observation rather than pre-destined by our Creator, and our Lord, Yehovah amen! Just because He knows what we are going to do doesn't mean we don't have a choice! He is eternal. Think about that folks! That is why and how He is Alpha & Omega! He has eternity to know every second of every one of our lives, from the 1st people to the last! He can access any time or year, in our dimension!
@zadkiel242 Says:
Knowledge of the outcome isn't causation, but it does take away the subject's free will. God created the human specifically to commit certain acts.
This is why Christianity is a false religion
@JOE-DAN Says:
You are swayed by evil , you dont choose it. People have the word of GOD written on thier hearts. We are NOT naturally or inherently violent or evil. Perception also plays an important role, for example if you dont percieve something as being evil or wrong or a sin , then According to Christs own words It isnt a Sin. Its what you believe NOT the how and why.
@deonmixon Says:
This is not complicated folks. Skeptics/unbelievers simply do not want to submit to God. They cannot accept the mystery of God's sovereignty and man's autonomy. It's a phenomenon. It's often called a mystery because humans cannot completely comprehend it. It exists and is ongoing. Not everything that is true needs 100% understanding to be true. It's true regardless.
@deatheclipse123 Says:
Struggled to wrap my head around that one until the last bit
@gabrielbridges9709 Says:
Free will is impossible to reconcile with predestination. Predestination by definition is not simply having the foreknowledge of an event, in that case when a prophet in the Bible prophesies and event would he be predestining it because he has the foreknowledge of the the event? That’s utterly ridiculous, predestination means pre determined destiny. So it’s not simply the foreknowledge of the future but the pre determined plan destined by God.
“Your eyes have seen my unformed substance; And in Your book were all written The days that were ordained for me, When as yet there was not one of them.”
Psalms 139:16
@haroldfrancis.rockybrother7322 Says:
Thank God i am saved by believing the Gospel and not by believing calvinism.
@Fast48-1 Says:
Frank is a great apologist, but he's wrong on Free Will!! Bible, wrong!! John 8:34!! Whatever a slave is, he isn't free!!
@TheMirabillis Says:
God knew the outcome prior to Him creating. God knew that Bob would reject Him and end up in Hell. Bob does not have the free will to prove God wrong. Therefore, Bob must go to Hell. God creates people ( like Bob ) that cannot be saved because if they were to get saved, then God would be wrong in His knowledge.
@tylerwatson2980 Says:
One issue that is rarely addressed is the definition of "free will." For example, take Frank's question about freely coming to that conclusion. I believe that God predestined me to come to certain conclusions, and I believe these things voluntarily. I'm not being coerced, but I do believe God is causative in my belief - He created me with foreknowledge, He changed my heart, so of course He is causing me to believe. I highly recommend "What About Free Will" by Scott Christianson if you're curious about the subject.
@justinernest6881 Says:
Cries in calvinism lol
@pigdog1971 Says:
Let's start by proving magic and the supernatural to be real, then we'll discuss your god .
@JamesStewartarmwrestling Says:
We are not free because man can not stop sinning .
It's is only when God regenerates us that we can have faith to believe in him.
Paul says on Romans no one searches no one is good.
@galagatron5319 Says:
Free will is a causation of all matter. This is not predestined to the tremblance or nonjunctionary universe of God. All religions must have philosophy of good and bad to be considered populish. The bronze age where Christianity was formed and man written stories that carries in the montulous of time is truly an atrocity to mankind. In other words, all 3000 religions are made up by men from ancient times. Proving God exists over free will or moral discussions doesn't prove a rel8gion exists.
@eichelman Says:
God is not outside of time. Poor translations. If God is outside of time, what did he do before that? When did he have time to create time? Was there a time before time began, and that case it took time for God to make time.
@leedise2383 Says:
Just so you get the Calvinist argument right: Calvinists believe in free will. You can look it up in the Westminster Confession of Faith.
Free will means the ability to choose whatever we are capable of choosing.
Choosing God, however, is not something any man or woman can choose unless the Holy Spirit has called him or her.
It's hard to preach to an individualistic society like ours that there are some things about themselves that they are incapable of changing. Nevertheless, the scriptures are clear. We are dead in sin. "Dead" means dead. Dead spiritual beings can't do anything. We must be born again in spirit, and we need help even to choose that. It's not for us to choose.
In the parable about Lazarus and the rich man, pay attention to one little detail. The rich man lives in splendor, and Lazarus is a pauper, envious of the scraps with which the rich man feeds his dogs.
Both Lazarus and the rich man dies. Abraham and Lazarus stand on one side of a great divide, where things are pleasant, and the rich man is on the other side, a place of great torment. The rich man first begs Abraham to send Lazarus with drop of water in his hands so he can cool his tongue, but Abraham says the divide cannot be crossed. Then he begs Abraham to send him to his brothers so he may warn them. Abraham responds that they already have Moses and the prophets, and would not listen even if someone were to rise from the dead to tell them.
What's the one little detail? At no time does the story tell that the rich man implored Abraham to bring him across the divide to where he and Lazarus were standing. Even in his place of torment, the rich man did not ask to be closer to the Lord. Maybe the rich man knew it was futile to ask that. Or, maybe, even in death, he still wanted no part of the Lord's presence.
Those who are not chosen want no part of The Lord in their lives. Nature reveals its Creator. Scriptures proclaim the Creator. Man reviles and denies the creation and its Creator. Unless the Holy Spirit touches us, we will want no part of it. We will instead cling to our pride, trust our own wisdom, which does not exist, and depend on our own righteousness, of which we have none.
"For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God’s law; indeed, it cannot." -- Romans 8:7
“None is righteous, no, not one..." Romans 3:10"
And you were dead in the trespasses and sins..." Ephesians 2:1
"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day." John 6:44
"The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned." 1 Corinthians 2:14
"for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure." Philippians 2:13
"For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing." Romans 7:18-19
"And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified." Romans 8:30
@johnathandoyle2662 Says:
If everything is predestined then there is no free will its the illusion of free will every action, thought and decision is already decided how else could God see the end of each and every life if it wasn't already set in stone but its easy to give God any ability you see fit when it's essentially a blank slate
@VYMQGSOH Says:
Didn't Jesus say "you didn't choose me, but i chose you?"
And didn't the Bible teach that even before the foundation of the world that the saved were predestined by God?
If this is true relating to salvation,
It seems like God/Jesus didn't let us choose alone,
rather even before we existed He chose who would be saved.
@russelgarces4113 Says:
Free will came after the rebellion.
@gerardgmz Says:
We have a slave will, bound to a sinful nature that hates God - and His holy will. Even on your best day, you would never come to salvific faith on your own.
Don't we pray for God to save someone and bring them to faith so they won't perish in hell?
@lijh Says:
Ultimate Predestination was & will always be an unbiblical Principle hinging on the added translation of "salvation by faith "Alone". With the Added "alone" that was never in the passage.
@houseplant7441 Says:
It doesn’t make sense to be an atheist who believes that they have no free-will, because it means they are being controlled by a Divine Intelligence.
@michealferrell1677 Says:
We have a creaturely free will that apart from regeneration is in bondage to sin .
@karlhowe5181 Says:
What evidence are you kidding 🤔
Reaction exist,we as with all things are reactors .
We react to occurances that themselves reacted to previous occursnces.
Effect follows cause, if something happens something made it happen ( actually bunches of things) did.
That's enough evidence, your turn 😁
PS
if your NOT freely coming to that conclusion why should I think your right 😂😂😂
Um maybe cause if you're not freely coming to that conclution means you DON'T have free will.
Maybe I heard him wrong 🤔
@karlhowe5181 Says:
But that's just it, how do we know for certain we're freely coming to any decision?
You don't know either way .certainly at the very least it the illusion of free will but that doesn't conclude it real.
Perplexing
@jakejohnson3145 Says:
I love when mankind thinks they know what all knowing means, *God knows everything we cant* followed by * God must know the future, if the future doesn't exist yet... (I'm not all knowing) it's very possible that God doesn't know it and he would still be all knowing, peace, l love yall
@dealexander4751 Says:
Only those in Christ ( saved) are predestined , Ephesians1:10-11. Ephesians 1:5 says the predestination is unto the adoption. So now all you have to do is figure out what the adoption is. Romans 8:23 defines adoption as the redemption of our body. So the conclusion is those that are saved are predestination to receive a glorified body according to the purpose of his good will,Ephesians 1:5. Predestination has absolutely nothing to do with God choosing who will and won't be saved.
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